{"id":944,"date":"2025-04-28T23:25:04","date_gmt":"2025-04-28T13:25:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/?p=944"},"modified":"2025-04-28T23:25:20","modified_gmt":"2025-04-28T13:25:20","slug":"persuasion-episode-5-chapters-11-12","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/2025\/04\/28\/persuasion-episode-5-chapters-11-12\/","title":{"rendered":"<em>Persuasion<\/em>: Episode 5, Chapters 11-12"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div id=\"buzzsprout-player-17055781\"><\/div><script src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/829264\/episodes\/17055781-s05e05-persuasion-chapters-11-and-12.js?container_id=buzzsprout-player-17055781&#038;player=small\" type=\"text\/javascript\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"block-7fb4106b-6e1e-4567-bbb8-9784f7f025cc\">In this episode, we talk about Lyme, the connection between Anne and Captain Benwick, whether these chapters make us wonder if Anne will end up with someone other than Captain Wentworth, and Louisa&#8217;s fall from the steps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"block-5438eae0-7442-4a82-b856-8f3d4d7ae5d2\">The characters we discuss are Captains Harville and Benwick. In the historical section, Ellen talks about romantic poetry, and for popular culture Harriet discusses the 2022 Netflix film adaptation of\u00a0<em>Persuasion<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"block-becddca0-119f-4a6f-8896-471e8133b26d\">Things we mention:<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>General discussion:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li>Janet Todd and Antje Blank [Editors],\u00a0<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cambridge.org\/au\/universitypress\/subjects\/literature\/literary-texts\/persuasion\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Cambridge Edition of the Works of Jane Austen: Persuasion<\/a><\/em>\u00a0(2006)<\/li><li>Samuel Johnson, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Rambler\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Rambler<\/a> <\/em>(periodical, published 1750-1752)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/John_Gregory_(moralist)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Dr John Gregory<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hester_Chapone\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Hester Chapone<\/a><\/li><li>Stairs on the Cobb<ul><li><a href=\"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Cobb_steps_1971.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The stairs closest to the shore (used in the 1971 adaptation)<\/a><br><a href=\"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Cobb_steps_1971.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1080\" height=\"817\" class=\"wp-image-849\" style=\"width: 300px;\" src=\"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Cobb_steps_1971.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Cobb_steps_1971.jpg 1080w, https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Cobb_steps_1971-300x227.jpg 300w, https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Cobb_steps_1971-1024x775.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Cobb_steps_1971-768x581.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\" \/><\/a><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><a href=\"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Cobb_steps_1995.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The middle set of stairs, known as &#8216;Granny&#8217;s teeth&#8217; (used in the 1995 adaptation)<br><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1080\" height=\"662\" class=\"wp-image-884\" style=\"width: 300px;\" src=\"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Cobb_steps_1995.jpg\" alt=\"Steps on the Cobb at Lyme ('Granny's teeth'). Captain Wentworth and Henrietta at the bottom of the steps; Charles and Mary Musgrove at the top. Each step sticks out individually, rather than being joined in a flight.\" srcset=\"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Cobb_steps_1995.jpg 1080w, https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Cobb_steps_1995-300x184.jpg 300w, https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Cobb_steps_1995-1024x628.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Cobb_steps_1995-768x471.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\" \/><\/a><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><a href=\"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Cobb_steps_2007.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The third set of stairs (used in the 2007 and 2022 adaptations)<br><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1080\" height=\"591\" class=\"wp-image-928\" style=\"width: 300px;\" src=\"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Cobb_steps_2007.png\" alt=\"Steps on the Cobb at Lyme from the 2007 adaptation of Persuasion.\" srcset=\"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Cobb_steps_2007.png 1080w, https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Cobb_steps_2007-300x164.png 300w, https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Cobb_steps_2007-1024x560.png 1024w, https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/Cobb_steps_2007-768x420.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\" \/><\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/maps\/d\/edit?mid=18GT5GkBZsjh4DEFCqiczdt5V9KQB_cDq&amp;usp=sharing\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Google map<\/a>\u00a0of the steps on the Cobb<br><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/maps\/d\/embed?mid=18GT5GkBZsjh4DEFCqiczdt5V9KQB_cDq&#038;ehbc=2E312F&#038;noprof=1&#038;ll=50.72177720290764%2C-2.944489064642666&#038;z=15\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"block-32113807-ad72-49f3-b4c3-b96d573803b9\"><strong>Historical discussion:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul id=\"block-7ad8a809-a536-4dd6-ac58-aff177e3b672\"><li>Samuel Taylor Coleridge and William Wordsworth, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/112110.Lyrical_Ballads\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Lyrical Ballads<\/a><\/em> (1798)<ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/The_Foster-Mother%27s_Tale_(Coleridge)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Foster-Mother\u2019s Tale<\/a> (Coleridge)<\/li><\/ul><ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Goody_Blake_and_Harry_Gill\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Goody Blake and Harry Gill<\/a> (Wordsworth)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Simon_Lee,_The_Old_Huntsman\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Simon Lee, the old Huntsman<\/a> (Wordsworth)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/We_Are_Seven\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">We are Seven<\/a> (Wordsworth)<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>Other poems by Wordsworth<ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/My_Heart_Leaps_Up\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">My Heart Leaps Up<\/a> (1807)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Poems,_in_Two_Volumes_(Wordsworth,_1807)\/Volume_2\/Ode:_Intimations_of_Immortality_from_Recollections_of_Early_Childhood\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Ode: Intimations of Immortality from Recollections of Early Childhood<\/a> (1807)<\/li><\/ul><ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/I_Wandered_Lonely_as_a_Cloud\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">I Wandered Lonely as a Cloud<\/a> (1807)<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>Works by Scott<ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Marmion\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Marmion: A Tale of Flodden Field<\/a> (1889) &#8211; includes the tale of Young Lochinvar<\/li><\/ul><ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/The_Lay_of_the_Last_Minstrel\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Lay of the Last Minstrel<\/a> (1805)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/The_Lady_of_the_Lake\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Lady of the Lake<\/a> (1810)<\/li><\/ul><ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/539025.Waverley\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Waverley<\/em> <\/a>(1814)<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>Poems by Byron<ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gutenberg.org\/files\/5131\/5131-h\/5131-h.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Childe Harold&#8217;s Pilgrimage<\/a> (1812-1818)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/The_Giaour\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Giaour<\/a> (1813)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/brideofabydostur02byro\/page\/n6\/mode\/1up\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Bride of Abydos<\/a> (1813)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/The_Corsair_(Byron)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Corsair<\/a> (1814)<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>Susan Allen Ford, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/200451592-what-jane-austen-s-characters-read-and-why\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">What Jane Austen&#8217;s Characters Read (and Why)<\/a> <\/em>(2024)<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"block-6a04c79c-2b71-4bda-8e60-882f86531d4b\"><strong>Popular culture discussion:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li>Netflix, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt13456318\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Persuasion<\/em><\/a> (2022) \u2013 starring Dakota Johnson and Cosmo Jarvis<ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/2022\/07\/19\/not-an-episode-review-of-persuasion-2022\/\">Harriet&#8217;s review<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/Xqhq66EwLg0?si=rrtsXAm6K8JCQUdG\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Karolina \u017bebrowska&#8217;s review<\/a> (YouTube)<\/li><\/ul><ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/OnAk4yszEgk?si=HwnYZLudJCVd-YUW&amp;t=193\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Louisa&#8217;s fall<\/a> (this YouTube video shows the same scene from four different adaptations of <em>Persuasion<\/em>)<\/li><\/ul><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"block-ca5df369-1ec1-4880-bd53-cea8169a2a28\">Creative commons music used:<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul id=\"block-f3fae2ea-78aa-4bea-a20d-095c6398a7f8\"><li>Extract from&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Mozart_-_Piano_Sonata_No._12_in_F_Major,_K.332_-_II._Adagio.ogg\" target=\"_blank\">Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 12 in F Major, ii. Adagio<\/a>.<\/li><li>Extract from&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Haydn_sonata_hob._XVI_23_mvt_1.oga\" target=\"_blank\">Joseph Haydn, Piano Sonata No. 38. Performance by Ivan Ili\u0107, recorded in Manchester in December, 2006<\/a>. File originally from IMSLP.<\/li><li>Extract from&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart_-_sonata_no._13_in_b_flat_major,_k.333_-_iii._allegretto_grazioso.ogg\" target=\"_blank\">Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 13 in B-Flat Major, iii. Allegretto Grazioso<\/a>. File originally from Musopen.<\/li><li>Extract from&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:George_Frideric_Handel_-_suite_i,_no._2_in_f_major,_hwv_427_-_ii._allegro.ogg\" target=\"_blank\">George Frideric Handel, Suite I, No. 2 in F Major, ii. Allegro<\/a>. File originally from Musopen.<\/li><li>Extract from&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Beethoven_-_Piano_Sonata_No._28_in_A_Major,_Op._101_-_I._Etwas_lebhaft,_und_mit_der_innigsten_Empfindung.ogg\" target=\"_blank\">Ludwig van Beethoven, Piano Sonata No. 28 in A major<\/a>. File originally from Musopen.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode, we talk about Lyme, the connection between Anne and Captain Benwick, whether these chapters make us wonder if Anne will end up with someone other than Captain Wentworth, and Louisa&#8217;s fall from the steps. The characters we discuss are Captains Harville and Benwick. In the historical section, Ellen talks about romantic poetry, &#8230; <a title=\"Persuasion: Episode 5, Chapters 11-12\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/2025\/04\/28\/persuasion-episode-5-chapters-11-12\/\">Read more <span class=\"screen-reader-text\"><em>Persuasion<\/em>: Episode 5, Chapters 11-12<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mi_skip_tracking":false},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/944"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=944"}],"version-history":[{"count":15,"href":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/944\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":962,"href":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/944\/revisions\/962"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=944"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=944"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=944"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}