{"id":423,"date":"2022-01-26T00:12:05","date_gmt":"2022-01-25T13:12:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/?p=423"},"modified":"2022-01-26T00:26:36","modified_gmt":"2022-01-25T13:26:36","slug":"mansfield-park-episode-3-chapters-8-11","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/2022\/01\/26\/mansfield-park-episode-3-chapters-8-11\/","title":{"rendered":"<em>Mansfield Park<\/em>: Episode 3, Chapters 8-11"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div id=\"buzzsprout-player-9948397\"><\/div><script src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/829264\/9948397-s03e03-mansfield-park-episode-3-chapters-8-11.js?container_id=buzzsprout-player-9948397&#038;player=small\" type=\"text\/javascript\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode, we read Chapters 8 to 11 of&nbsp;<em>Mansfield Park<\/em>. We revisit the issue of how Jane Austen opposes Fanny and Mary, and look at the flirting techniques of Mary and Henry, Fanny&#8217;s expectations of Edmund, whether there is symbolism in the scene at the ha-ha, and Mary&#8217;s criticism of Dr Grant.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The characters we talk about are Maria and Julia, and then Ellen looks at the idea of improvement of estates &#8211; and what a ha-ha is. Harriet&#8217;s discussion of the popular culture versions is a bit shorter than usual, owing to the fact that two of the adaptations completely omit the Sotherton section.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2>Things we mention:  <\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>General and character discussion:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li>John Wiltshire [Editor], <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cambridge.org\/au\/academic\/subjects\/literature\/literary-texts\/mansfield-park\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Cambridge Edition of the Works of Jane Austen: Mansfield Park<\/a><\/em> (2005)<\/li><li>Lionel Trilling, \u201c<em>Mansfield Park<\/em>\u201c, <em>Partisan Review<\/em> 21 (September-October 1954): 492-511. Also published in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.unz.com\/print\/Encounter-1954sep-00009\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Encounter<\/em>, September 1954: 9-19<\/a>.<\/li><li>Daniel Jones, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/221549.Cambridge_English_Pronouncing_Dictionary\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">English Pronouncing Dictionary<\/a> <\/em> (1917)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theliterary.life\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Literary Life<\/a> (2021) [podcast]<\/li><li>Juliana Horatia Ewing, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/1653309.Mary_s_Meadow_and_Other_Tales_of_Fields_and_Flowers\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Mary&#8217;s Meadow<\/a><\/em> (1885)<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Historical discussion:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Claude_Lorrain\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Claude Lorraine<\/a> (1600-1682)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Nicolas_Poussin\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Nicolas Poussin<\/a> (1594-1665)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Capability_Brown\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Lancelot &#8216;Capability&#8217; Brown<\/a> (1716-1783) <\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Humphry_Repton\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Humphry Repton<\/a> (1752-1818)<\/li><li>Pictures of ha-has<ul><li>The ha-ha at Chawton House. This ha-ha is a ditch, with a fence at the bottom. Standing further away, you wouldn&#8217;t see either the ditch or the fence.<br> <img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 500px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/chawton_haha.JPG\" alt=\"The ha-ha at Chawton House\"> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/chawton_haha.JPG\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> Photograph taken by Harriet in 2019.<\/small><\/figcaption><br><\/li><li>Croome Park, Upton-upon-Severn in south Worcestershire, England &#8211; grounds designed by Capability Brown:<br> <img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 500px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/croome_park_haha_1.jpg\" alt=\"The ha-ha at Croome Park\"><br> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/croome_park_haha_1.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> Photograph \u00a9 Alan Murray-Rust from <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Ha_Ha.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikimedia<\/a>)<\/small><\/figcaption><br><\/li><li>Berrington Hall in Herefordshire, England, was Capability Brown&#8217;s final commission. A long, sweeping ha-ha separates the pleasure ground from the parkland beyond. This ha-ha appears to be quite wide, with a shallow slope.<br> <img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 500px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/berrington_hall_haha.jpg\" alt=\"The ha-ha at Berrington Hall\"><br> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/berrington_hall_haha.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> Photograph \u00a9 Philip Halling from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.geograph.org.uk\/photo\/3925227\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Geograph<\/a><\/small><\/figcaption><br><\/li><li>The bottom of a ha-ha with a retaining wall, at Beechworth Asylum, Victoria, Australia. From the photo, this ha-ha appears to be both wide and deep.<br> <img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 200px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/beechworth_haha.JPG\" alt=\"The ha-ha at Beechworth\"><br> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/beechworth_haha.JPG\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> Photograph \u00a9 Asfridhr from <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Beechworth_ha-ha_inside_2.JPG\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikimedia<\/a><\/small><\/figcaption><br> <\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>Crossings and gates on ha-has<br><ul><li>This is our idea of how the ha-ha gate in <em>Mansfield Park <\/em>worked.<br> <img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 500px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/haha_gate.jpg\" alt=\"Aerial diagram of what we think the ha-ha gate was like\"><br> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/haha_gate.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a><\/small><\/figcaption><br><\/li><li>The ha-ha and lawn at the south of Parham House, in West Sussex, England. If you look at the right, you can see a built up section over the ha-ha, with a gate giving access. This gate has a stone surround, rather than the spikes we envisage.<br> <img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 500px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/parham_house_haha.jpg\" alt=\"The ha-ha at Parham House, with gate across built up section\"><br> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/parham_house_haha.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> Photograph \u00a9 Acabashi from <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Ha-ha_and_south_face_of_Parham_House,_West_Sussex,_England.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikimedia<\/a><\/small><\/figcaption><br><\/li><li>Wollaton Hall, Nottingham, England. This looks like a ha-ha around a wilderness-type area (although the descriptions on the photos say it is the formal gardens).<br>This access path appears to be across a raised area of the ha-ha, and if you ignore the falling-down fence, and imagine a steeper slope from the path into the ha-ha, and the gate as having spikes instead of (or as well as) a brickwork surround, it gives an idea of how we envisage the ha-ha gate at Sotherton.<br> <img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 500px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/wollaton_hall_haha_gate.jpg\" alt=\"Path across the ha-ha at Wollaton Hall\"><br> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/wollaton_hall_haha_gate.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> Photograph \u00a9 Enchufla Con Clave from <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Boundary_Wall,_Passage_And_Ha_Ha_South_East_Of_Wollaton_Hall,_~Nottingham_(34).jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikimedia<\/a><\/small><\/figcaption><br> This seems to be another crossing of the ha-ha, as it is more like a bridge.<br> <img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 500px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/wollaton_hall_haha_bridge.jpg\" alt=\"Bridge across the ha-ha at Wollaton Hall\"><br> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/wollaton_hall_haha_bridge.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> Photograph \u00a9 Alan Murray-Rust from <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Bridge_over_the_Ha-ha_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1040151.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wikimedia<\/a>)<\/small><\/figcaption><br><\/li><li>Back at Croome Park, this shows a different way of crossing a ha-ha, that we didn&#8217;t mention. The path goes down to the bottom of the ha-ha, and the gate is built into the retaining wall. The person who took the photo calls it a &#8216;cattle crush&#8217;, as it can be used to move livestock from one field to another<br> <img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 500px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/croome_park_haha_gate_1.jpg\" alt=\"Path through the ha-ha at Croome Park - view into the ha-ha\"><br> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/croome_park_haha_gate_1.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> Photograph \u00a9 Philip Halling from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.geograph.org.uk\/photo\/5973343\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Geograph<\/a><\/small><\/figcaption><br> <img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 500px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/croome_park_haha_gate_2.jpg\" alt=\"Path through the ha-ha at Croome Park - view out of the ha-ha\"><br> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/croome_park_haha_gate_2.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> Photograph \u00a9 Philip Halling from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.geograph.org.uk\/photo\/3925227\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Geograph<\/a><\/small><\/figcaption><\/li><\/ul><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Popular culture discussion:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li>Adaptations:<ul><li>BBC, <em><a data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt0085052\/\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt0085052\/\" target=\"_blank\">Mansfield Park<\/a><\/em>&nbsp;(1983) \u2013 starring Sylvestra Le Touzel and Nicholas Farrell (6 episodes)<ul><li>Pictures of the not-a-ha-ha gate<br> \n<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 400px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/bbc_1.png\" alt=\"Julia approaching the gate\"> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/bbc_1.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> <\/small><\/figcaption><br>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 400px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/bbc_2.png\" alt=\"Julia crossing the gate\"> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/bbc_2.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> <\/small><\/figcaption><br>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-201\" style=\"width: 400px;\" src=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/bbc_3.png\" alt=\"Mr Rushworth in front of the gate\"> <figcaption><small><a href=\"http:\/\/whitegauntlet.com.au\/rja\/bbc_3.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Click to enlarge.<\/a> <\/small><\/figcaption><br>\n<\/li><\/ul><\/li>\n\n\n<li>Miramax, <em><a data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt0178737\/\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt0178737\/\" target=\"_blank\">Mansfield Park<\/a><\/em> (1999) &#8211; starring Frances O&#8217;Connor and Jonny Lee Miller<\/li><li>ITV, <em><a data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt0847182\/\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt0847182\/\" target=\"_blank\">Mansfield Park<\/a><\/em> (2007) &#8211; starring Billie Piper and Blake Ritson<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>Modernisations:<ul><li>YouTube, Foot in the Door Theatre, <em><a data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCOz41y0VXokzWpyClimh6xQ\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCOz41y0VXokzWpyClimh6xQ\" target=\"_blank\">From Mansfield With Love<\/a><\/em> (2014-2015)<\/li><li>D.E. Stevenson, <em><a data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/2426652.Celia_s_House\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/2426652.Celia_s_House\" target=\"_blank\">Celia&#8217;s House<\/a><\/em> (1943)<\/li><\/ul><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2>Creative commons music used: <\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul><li>Extract from&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Mozart_-_Piano_Sonata_No._12_in_F_Major,_K.332_-_II._Adagio.ogg\" target=\"_blank\">Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 12 in F Major, ii. Adagio<\/a>.<\/li><li>Extract from&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Haydn_sonata_hob._XVI_23_mvt_1.oga\" target=\"_blank\">Joseph Haydn, Piano Sonata No. 38. Performance by Ivan Ili\u0107, recorded in Manchester in December, 2006<\/a>. File originally from IMSLP.<\/li><li>Extract from&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart_-_sonata_no._13_in_b_flat_major,_k.333_-_iii._allegretto_grazioso.ogg\" target=\"_blank\">Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 13 in B-Flat Major, iii. Allegretto Grazioso<\/a>. File originally from Musopen.<\/li><li>Extract from&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:George_Frideric_Handel_-_suite_i,_no._2_in_f_major,_hwv_427_-_ii._allegro.ogg\" target=\"_blank\">George Frideric Handel, Suite I, No. 2 in F Major, ii. Allegro<\/a>. File originally from Musopen. <\/li><li>Extract from&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Beethoven_-_Piano_Sonata_No._28_in_A_Major,_Op._101_-_I._Etwas_lebhaft,_und_mit_der_innigsten_Empfindung.ogg\" target=\"_blank\">Ludwig van Beethoven, Piano Sonata No. 28 in A major<\/a>. File originally from Musopen.  <\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode, we read Chapters 8 to 11 of&nbsp;Mansfield Park. We revisit the issue of how Jane Austen opposes Fanny and Mary, and look at the flirting techniques of Mary and Henry, Fanny&#8217;s expectations of Edmund, whether there is symbolism in the scene at the ha-ha, and Mary&#8217;s criticism of Dr Grant. The characters &#8230; <a title=\"Mansfield Park: Episode 3, Chapters 8-11\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/2022\/01\/26\/mansfield-park-episode-3-chapters-8-11\/\">Read more <span class=\"screen-reader-text\"><em>Mansfield Park<\/em>: Episode 3, Chapters 8-11<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mi_skip_tracking":false},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/423"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=423"}],"version-history":[{"count":58,"href":"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/423\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":482,"href":"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/423\/revisions\/482"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=423"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=423"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/readingjaneausten.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=423"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}